Misogynists R Us
Oct. 26th, 2012 01:14 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
edenfallingGentle readers, I present to you the internet troll in its purest archetypal expression:
Elizabeth Culmer,
A new review has been posted to your story.
Story: Waking Persephone
Chapter: 1. Chapter 1
From: boots to asses (Guest)
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boots to asses:That little mutherfucking bird: Encouraging this racoon loving
bitch to break the rules is stupid, but you are a featherbrained retard, so
it's not surprising.
Also, if this bestiality addicted bitch can't stand the rules in Fanfiction.
net then she can pack her bags and leave. There's plenty of other internet
sites where they can upload their putrid garbage.
I just saw her livejournal and I'm surprised of how much time this bitch
spends hating on people who tells her she has to follow the rules. Fucking
bitch probably has no life and is glued to her laptop 24/7.
Sending emails to support crying because someone is telling her she's breaking
the rules? What a fucking whiny bitch! She blames others instead of taking
responsibility for her fuck ups so there is no chance in hell this whore is
over 30. I bet she's a 15 year old cocksucker who got kicked out of school for
fucking the teachers to get a passing grade.
I'm gonna keep reporting all her violations because this bitch doesn't deserve
to be here. All she deserves is to charge 1 dollar per blowjob.
Now, you motherfucking bitch, go lick your racoon's dick and never come back,
you're a waste of space in fanfiction. net and all you deserve is a kick in
the face and a leper to spit in your mouth.
Cheap whore.
Mr. Perfectionist
Proud moderator of Eliminator.
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Do not reply to this email.
FanFiction.Net Messaging Service
Some people make me very sad to share a species with them. (I also note that this bile-spewing anon and the other bile-spewing anon share the same misspelling of and obsession with raccoons. Fascinating, that. I wonder if ff.net records guest reviewers' IP addresses?)
And now to bed, because like today, tomorrow is a work day. :-)
Elizabeth Culmer,
A new review has been posted to your story.
Story: Waking Persephone
Chapter: 1. Chapter 1
From: boots to asses (Guest)
-------------------
boots to asses:That little mutherfucking bird: Encouraging this racoon loving
bitch to break the rules is stupid, but you are a featherbrained retard, so
it's not surprising.
Also, if this bestiality addicted bitch can't stand the rules in Fanfiction.
net then she can pack her bags and leave. There's plenty of other internet
sites where they can upload their putrid garbage.
I just saw her livejournal and I'm surprised of how much time this bitch
spends hating on people who tells her she has to follow the rules. Fucking
bitch probably has no life and is glued to her laptop 24/7.
Sending emails to support crying because someone is telling her she's breaking
the rules? What a fucking whiny bitch! She blames others instead of taking
responsibility for her fuck ups so there is no chance in hell this whore is
over 30. I bet she's a 15 year old cocksucker who got kicked out of school for
fucking the teachers to get a passing grade.
I'm gonna keep reporting all her violations because this bitch doesn't deserve
to be here. All she deserves is to charge 1 dollar per blowjob.
Now, you motherfucking bitch, go lick your racoon's dick and never come back,
you're a waste of space in fanfiction. net and all you deserve is a kick in
the face and a leper to spit in your mouth.
Cheap whore.
Mr. Perfectionist
Proud moderator of Eliminator.
-------------------
Do not reply to this email.
FanFiction.Net Messaging Service
Some people make me very sad to share a species with them. (I also note that this bile-spewing anon and the other bile-spewing anon share the same misspelling of and obsession with raccoons. Fascinating, that. I wonder if ff.net records guest reviewers' IP addresses?)
And now to bed, because like today, tomorrow is a work day. :-)
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(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 05:49 am (UTC)Some people have way too much time on their hands.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 04:34 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 02:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 04:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 10:33 am (UTC)This is awkward and out of the blue, but I just wanted to say...
Thank you for your stories, and I'm sorry you're being targeted by trolls. When I found out about them, I became angry, and then I read your post that said not to feed them. I really like to bait people, and I can't apologize for that, but I have restrained myself >_< Then I found out about the new one, and that's just...
In any case, I just wanted to point out that you've got more people rooting for you than just the regulars making posts on your journal ;-)
Good luck with your endeavors! :-)
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 03:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 12:59 pm (UTC)Then why do you still tag this as Critics United? Are you so desperate to get people to hate them that you're going to start blaming them of things they didn't do? Or because it is simply the easiest thing to do?
You should devote the same energy you are spending on CU to go after that troll-group. But I think you won't. It would be too difficult and CU is already a nice, pretty, harmless, sitting duck for you, is it not?
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 03:32 pm (UTC)As for the tags, I have been using "critics united" as a tag to keep the whole story together. I have never asked anyone to go after CU; I have simply asked ff.net's administration to clarify their rules and therefore prevent CU members from reporting stories that are not actually in violation of the rules. I may alter the tag when I get home from work to reflect that the situation has grown more complicated.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 01:46 pm (UTC)And Mr. Perfectionist and Lifequasher both have accounts:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/4172971/Mr-Perfectionist
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3726052/Lifequasher
Lifequasher does note in his profile that he signs in for all his reviews, and if you received one unsigned, to ignore it, since it's not from him. I suppose you could be being used by someone trying to get revenge on Mr. Perfectionist and Lifequasher by signing their names to reviews they didn't leave, in the hopes that you'd report them and get their accounts deleted. Or they could be big dumb liars who think by not logging in, you won't be able to find them.
Maybe turn off anonymous commenting on your stories? Life's too short to receive that kind of gross hate speech in your inbox, especially from people who seem to delight in targeting people.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 03:51 pm (UTC)No wonder CU's mild reviews drove the journal's owner crazy the first time she got one. She had no idea what Eliminator could do.
Unfortunately for you, Eliminator members lurk both LU and CU and attack random people in their violation threads so you got tagged and from what I saw earlier, the Homestuck fandom can look forward to a troll infestation by Boots and his gang of trolls.
Good job getting Eliminator in your fandom. And this happened before in the Hetalia and Hellsing fandoms, when Eliminator lurked us at LU.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 03:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 04:03 am (UTC)I hate to turn off anonymous reviews altogether -- it seems a shame to deny people without an ff.net account the chance to say something, and I have gotten some very nice and thoughtful reviews from anons over the years -- but I will consider that depending on how events play out over the weekend.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 02:58 pm (UTC)Yeah, I understand why you wouldn't want to turn it off and it doesn't have to be forever (and I will point out that if anons with good intentions want to comment, it's very easy to create a ff.net account). I just think anon commenting is a privilege, not a right, and you're under no obligation to give people a forum to spew misogynistic hate speech and threats at you.
Since these people are clearly hiding behind the anonymity, thinking they can say what they want with no repercussions (Lifequasher says this flat out: "You can't report this review bitch, I didn't sign in so that you can't stalk me like you do those CU assholes"), it just seems like shutting off anon comments - at least temporarily - would be a good course of action.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-28 04:16 am (UTC)Really, I am more bothered by rules lawyers than trolls. The former are maddening because they present their jabs as reasoned arguments and therefore invoke my "but you are WRONG and I must convince you that I am right!" reflex. The latter are just pathetic. They're upsetting on an instinctive/emotional level, of course -- nobody likes having that kind of language hurled at them, particularly not out of the blue -- but intellectually they are fairly easy to ignore.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-28 07:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 02:07 pm (UTC)Edit: Followed snacky's links. Anyone else think that CU/Renaissance/LU/Eliminator are actually the same people, at least at the owner/mod level? Their forums are EXACTLY the same in set up, same topics slightly different wording of the names, and they repeat one another's "violation" postings. Man, these people have too much time on their hands.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 03:02 pm (UTC)I left Critics United after the group began targeting authors they didn't like and members starting trouble for their own amusement. I don't know if they are still like that as looking at their ff.net forum there seems to have been a power shift with the owner (Darksacredjewel) leaving and others returning.
You may take what I write however you wish although I suspect you'll all believe I'm full of it.
As little correction to Lady songsmith's post above as it's close but not accurate- none of the groups are related to each other.
Literate Union dislike/hate the other groups out of claims they "copied" them. They also have a strong dislike to the current moderators of CU.
Critics United is "neutral" to most other group but have nothing to do with any of them. Last I heard, they disliked Eliminator and thought of them as "stupid trolls". They also "borrowed" the basic set up from the Literate Union
Fanfiction Renaissance has nothing to do with any of the groups and is probably going to die off based on the lack of activity. They copied CU in their setup.
Eliminator is just a bunch of trouble making trolls. They are run by "boots to asses" who has in fact been banned from the site 3 times now. They copied all the other groups.
Pretty much it's a case of them copying each other but Eliminator is known for going through the other groups and going after any story in there that is listed because the other groups have listed it. They are not run by the same people and based on history the people running the groups really dislike each other.
Hope this helps clear things up and direct your anger at the right group as reading edenfalling's post it does appear you're blaming all the critic groups for the work of a bunch of childish trolls that is Eliminator.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 04:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 07:00 pm (UTC)And it's not as if these three are the only groups that have ever existed. Before even the LU there were the Fireplace alliance (still somewhat active today), the Ranma-clean-up service, Hogwarts janitors and many others. The owner of this journal has been in the site since 2003 so unless she's clueless and never honestly read the rules, she should know about it all.
In the end, even if your so hated rule enforcing groups of today vanish, others will take their place sooner or later. Fanfiction.net is an ecosystem and when it starts to degenerate reporting/concrit groups appear as a response that helps balance violators and rule compliant stories. It's a cicle that keeps repeating, and if you talk to other veterans who are still active you would know that.
Not that the owner will let our comments show, I noticed she has a tendency of being particularly picky about everything people without an account writes. Perhaps I should resort to blind praise?
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 03:30 am (UTC)(FYI, the way I have my livejournal account set up, all anonymous comments are automatically screened until and unless I manually unscreen them. Signed-in comments are automatically visible unless they include active hyperlinks of certain types, in which case I have to unscreen those as well. The screening or lack thereof has nothing to do with anyone's attitude toward me. This has been your public service announcement of the night.)
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 03:35 am (UTC)And it's not as if these three are the only groups that have ever existed.
Isn't "but other people do it toooooo!" the defense your groups are so very fond of mocking? Perhaps you might step back and consider what you've just said.
In the end, even if your so hated rule enforcing groups of today vanish, others will take their place sooner or later.
Yes, sadly, people with far too much time on their hands and a nasty temperment shall, like the poor, always be with us.
I was going to respond to the comment about anon-screening, but I see our host has already done that. I will add that, as you are not a LJ user, you probably aren't aware of the amount of spam that comes through via the Russian side of the site. Requiring approval for anon comments is a common and sensible setting on journals. Perhaps you might try exercising patience.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 02:06 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 03:47 am (UTC)Both CU and these outright misogynists seem determined to label me a troll and cast themselves as the injured/righteous party, when all I am doing is asking for a clarification of a badly worded rule and refusing to be intimidated into deleting my stories while I can make a perfectly justifiable case that the rule in question only applies to second person used in the service of interactivity and not to all uses of second person whatsoever. Furthermore, in response to the notion that I have "brought trolls" onto myself and/or my fandom... well, would these trolls ever have heard of me if CU members hadn't posted my name as a sanctioned target on their forum that they know the trolls use as a hunting ground? Somehow I doubt it.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 03:41 pm (UTC)I will answer the rest of your comment when I get home from work, but I must run now. :-)
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 03:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 07:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-27 04:13 am (UTC)Targeting rth just because she left nice reviews on my stories is BEYOND uncalled-for. Although you know, I think I show good taste in my choice of lesbian lovers. ;-) (I am less sure of rth's taste -- I am pretty set in my ways as an asocial hermit by now and I am terrible at keeping up correspondence, so anyone entering a relationship with ME clearly has their work cut out for them. But love is a strange and powerful force! *grin*)
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-26 07:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-28 04:45 am (UTC)I myself am a huge fan of anon reviews on ff.net -- I leave them all the time because I often can't be bothered to log in (also, I really enjoy making up ludicrous pen names). However, since you're currently being ganged up on by groups which include people who are hiding behind anonymity, you might consider disabling anon commenting for a month or so. The quality of most of the comments you shared (unthinking, irrational vitriol largely unrelated to absolutely anything you've said or done) inclines me to think that most of these people probably don't have much staying power. Since they're attacking you for no clear reason, perhaps if you can ignore them for a month or so, they'll forget about you and then you'll be free to start accepting anon reviews again. I guess that won't help with the forums of logged-in reviewers, but it might be some help...
Anyway, I have always thought your stories were insightful and interesting. I think they are wonderful, and I think you are wonderful, and I also think you are a good person. You have my best wishes, and my admiration for the way you've handled things. Please keep up your good work, and if there's anything I can do to help out please do let me know.
In unrelated news, it's apparently been ages since I've actually logged onto LJ and left a comment; this possibly-not-all-that-new comment format is utterly unfamiliar to me. I can't seem to find a preview button, so please forgive any mistakes.
(no subject)
Date: 2012-10-28 05:44 pm (UTC)most of these people probably don't have much staying power
Since none of them have said anything to me on ff.net -- anonymously or signed in -- since Greyshade's insulting-but-not-misogynist review, I am inclined to think you are correct.
Yeah, LJ rolled out a new and "improved" site format back in... December, I think? Among other things it removes comment subject lines and comment previews on pages that use the default site skin, plus making the very act of typing in the comment boxes slow and glitchy. Since I have a free account rather than a paid one, I can't override the default settings on my comment pages. :-( Anyway, a lot of people think the new code "fixed" things that weren't broken, and there was some nasty kerfuffling when a couple LJ staff members made derrogatory public comments on their official staff accounts about users who pointed out ways the new comment interface decreased the functionality of the site for them. A bunch of kinkmemes and RP groups have been slowly decamping to Dreamwidth since, since DW retains the comment functionality LJ destroyed and also has a history of asking and listening to the user base before implementing any major code changes.